Some more about Brain Research and U-CEP / Free Will and related experiments
There is a long philosophical discussion about Free Will, perhaps officially started by Plato around 2.500 years ago. But since the experiments of Benjamin Libet, published 1984, the discussion about "Is there a Free Will or not or what it means if not" got a new quality. If you ask this question your neighbour at the counter in the bar, he would probably tell you "of course have a free will, just ordered the next pint", what is typical for the current time period. But the experiments with contrary recognitions were and are continued by researchers, e.g. like the teams of
- Wolf Singer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl224WyY ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsSKIYkaYYs&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHQDpwp1 ... re=related
- Gerhard Roth
http://de.sevenload.com/sendungen/Trend ... e-Illusion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvWFuDZANfY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWJBCDtUtpw&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XLW0z_bW08&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIOhy1-HcvM&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeMElXQ4Qjk&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68EpMu66hsU&NR=1
and also the research about decoding of conscious and unconscious mental states of the team of John-Dylan Haynes http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/John-Dylan_Haynes are related with the question about Free Will:
http://www.cbs.mpg.de/staff/haynes-10438
There the question is: "Is it possible to predict what a person is thinking of - or even what they are planning to do - based alone on their current brain activity? This project investigates ways to decode and predict a person’s thoughts from functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) data. The key is that each thought is associated with a unique brain activation pattern that can be used as a signature or for that specific thought. If we train a classifier to recognize these characteristic signatures we can read out a person’s thoughts from their brain activity alone. Such “thought reading” can reveal how information is neurally encoded in the brain. The idea is that it is only possible to decode a thought if one knows the correct code."
In order to find such activation patterns we can use U-CEP and connect a human to event patterns from the universe via special event adapters. We can experiment in a controlled environment on the basis of a U-CEP platform. This will lead us to "radically new" products and outcomes according to the European FET-F 2020 and Beyond Initiative. "This research has many potential applications, as for example in detection of deception, in the control of computers and artificial prostheses by brain activity, or even (more controversial) in market research" - to name a few.
Some more experiments in this field
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... tance.html
What is the product idea behind? This is obvious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSCLBG9KeX4
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1 ... e-lab.html
Precisely stimulating individual neurons or circuits may harness the beetles more precisely. The research may be successful in revealing how the brain, nerves and muscles of insects coordinate flight and other behaviours, but also at bringing six-legged cyborg spies into service. We can help accelerating returns on the basis of a controlled U-CEP environment and we can experiment with more precisely stimulating individual neurons or circuits by special event patterns respectively event adapters.
Already some years ago Kevin Warwick (University of Reading) has experimented as a Cyborg with his arm where he implanted a kind of an event adapter which connected him to the events (actually to a still simple event) of the Internet and let the arm react without his Free Will:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0712669884/qid%3D1012487809/sr%3D1-2/ref%3Dsr_sp_re/202-8722897-4122252
Nowadays Kevin's team is experimenting with brain cells and Intelligent cars as we've mentioned it in the outline, chapter 1 for table (6)
http://forum.complexevents.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=252
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-10/08/ratbots
Typical reactions taken from blog comments
Along with such research and experiments we should also discuss the typical comments and anxieties or ethical concerns. Here are some examples of Pro's and Con's we could systematically categorize:
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Where Will This Lead To?
Really humane. Maybe one day you could control live or recently dead people as an ultimate fighting machine
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it does leave a rather bad taste in my mouth too
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"The project's goal is to create fully remote-controlled insects"
and pentagon's goal is to create fully remote-controlled humans.
Why do the mad scientists have the need to torture other animals? Power?
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I hope that they will (eventualy) develop an electronic interface with the human brain, as the potential for such a tool is incredible.
Of course there is potential for horrible things, but that's the case with every invention. Should we stop using the wheel because it can be used in tanks?
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I completely agree... humans are the MOST inhumane, (now) dumbed-down, ignorant and manipulated species on this planet. How is this helping ANYTHING? Of course, the perversion is probably going on far beyond this behind our 'military's' closed and classified doors.
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Humans today, are really persons owned by the STATE through indoctrination and so forth. Seriously, how much money was wasted and how many sovereign beings are tortured in the name of science? Too fkn many. Look at the state of this planet and tell me modern man is so damn wonderful.
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The book The Body Electric was written many years ago and even then we KNEW of adverse effects of EMFs on ALL life force... Yet, now we are above 1B times our earths natural radiation; we, believe it or not are ALL connected and this interference, mostly for military use, is destroying and has destroyed the beauty of the human mind and thought. Humans are becoming more and more like programmed drones--that is the perfect STATE of the master controllers of course.
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The U.S. is nothing more than an a Consumeristic society that is totally used for experimentation--social engineering takes place every day via the idiot box and indoctrination centers (formerly known as schools).
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This is NOT a good thing, neither are nanochips, nanospies,etc., but one needs an independent mind in order to think for oneself, and that is not permitted in this Police State.
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There are two degrees of nature. Living and non-living.
We are alive last time I checked and we are FAR from ignorant.
If we are so 'inhumane', then how is it that we are the only species with hostpitals for other species?
We are the only species that actively seeks out to save other species.
It is only a tiny percentage that fail to experience empathy. That is a proven fact.
Experiments like this are only negative if the organism is aware that it is being controlled and doesnt want to be... or if it is harmful (painful/damaging) to it.
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If we brought a person up with a chip in their head that made them enjoy extremely intense manual labour without them knowing, it would be ok. If it doesnt affect the mood/perception in a negative way, then it is stupid NOT to do it.
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It is ONLY negative if the feelings/responses are negative... And we are quite capable of knowing when something is harmful or unpleasant.
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EVERY feeling, thought, desire that any organism is capable of feeling is TOTALLY physiological. There is no 'soul' or anything metaphysical or beyond our bodies/brains.
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We know how every cell functions and how it interacts with others, that is ALL you need to know how something living feels.
For instance, neuroscience is all you need to understand how people react to anything.
If you cant understand how this can make a positive impact, then you are making it clear that you are too emotional to involve yourself in reality.
Get a grip and stop living in movies/the bible.
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Actually neuroscience has barely started learning just the basics of our brains, no one knows nearly enough about how just a single brain neuron functions, let alone the thousands of different types of brain neurons that serve different functions in our brain. And even when we finally do understand individual neurons much more clearly, the process of understanding how a whole brain works, that is made up of the most complex thing in the entire known universe, made of such an amazing combination of hundreds of millions of neuron cells and links in a way that will probably take us hundreds of years to understand.
I'm not exactly a by-stander just sitting on my couch talking about something I don't know about, I'm a robotics engineer that does work on projects based around controlling robots using brain cells or mathematical equivalents of brain cells. I even worked on a project that controls a mobile robot using a mathematical equivalent of biological brain cells from a rat. Neuroscientists studied the brain cells for about 7 years before trying to mimick it in a computer, so you would expect it to be fairly realistic. But it was based on one of the most simplest cells in a brain (Hypocampus), that behaves amazingly as simple as a computer would, and yet the mathematics they came up with to mimick the cells only mimick a fraction of what their complexity, and yet we were only using a handful of neurons, compared to the millions of neurons that actually make up a simple rat's brain.
It seems that the closer science thinks we are to understanding brains and thought and our "soul", the more we find new discoveries that prove its so much more complex than we thought!
I actually thought the same as you, that there's no such thing as a soul or anything metaphysical, because it would defy physics & science, etc. But the more I look at physics & science, the more I keep finding out that we still don't know what is inside a single atom, let alone know what causes gravity. If you don't believe me, try reading up about quantum physics / quantum mechanics and you'll see that even though scientists thought we completely understood physics by 1900, by the 1930's quantum physics shown that even a single atom is so much more complex than we could ever expect!
And then we thought we understood how a single brain cell works, that it acts just like a very simple electronic circuit, But in the past decade there has been more and more findings that even one brain cell can occasionally show a huge amount of complexity, and in fact does use quantum physics in part of it's processes.
So I'm just trying to let you know that life is not as simple as you say, it turns out that science still doesn't know how to explain a lot of very basic things like how does an atom work, how does gravity work, and how do we have a soul.
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The designers of robots and cybernetic systems (cyborgs) will naturally enable the systems to record events. In computing systems like cyborgs, the logging of activity or perception is easy to do and can yield value. But the recordings will raise legal issues. Generally speaking in the US, the recording of conversations is more legally risky than the recording of public images. When automated systems like cyborgs approach "people" on the street, legal issues will arise as to whether they can record conversations they overhear. The natural implication is that cyborgs and robot owners will seek to get consent to audio recording of nearby people
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These are some arbitrarily taken comments from blog entries. There are more comments and concerns also from prominent persons like Jürgen Habermas (see website of de-trans) or well known journals like http://www.zeit.de/2004/42/N-Transhumanismus.
Links to other tables of the World Cafe
We could for instance also make the link to table (2) of our World Cafe about SocioTechno flagship ideas and how such technologies could help in the case of disaster or emergency management, if we could control large crowds and connect them to optimized processes in order to let them react appropriately according to a situation or event patterns and avoid panic and hysteria, etc.
